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Pepsi Jedi · Sep 13, 2006, 10:29 PM // 22:29

Maybe we had different history books. I'd ask you to cite your source but it's not really that important to me.

As a side note. I find wrong stuff in Wiki all the time. You just gotta look for it.

Urban_Nomad · Sep 13, 2006, 11:31 PM // 23:31

I don't think anyone was trying to say that Blitzkreig was referred to as "Shock and Awe" tactics when it happened. Just because they didn't call it that at the time doesn't mean that it doesn't follow the same tactics.

I'll bet there were people saying "buzz" and "hiss" and "splash" before anyone used the word "onomatopoeia," which is the literary term for that type of word. I know its not the same thing as defining Blitzkreig as shock and awe, but off the top of my head I can't think of a better example right now.

Saphatorael · Sep 13, 2006, 11:35 PM // 23:35

One question about Awe itself though...

If it's a skill... then how can it 'hit' something... shouldn't it be an attack then? Or is it touch range?

Cjlr · Sep 13, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by Pepsi Jedi

As a side note. I find wrong stuff in Wiki all the time. You just gotta look for it.

And you don't fix it because...

???

Vahn Roi · Sep 13, 2006, 11:58 PM // 23:58

Bane Signet and Awe.

Vermilion Okeanos · Sep 14, 2006, 01:50 AM // 01:50

I will post translated verison (done by someone else, not me), no point in posting it in chinese here anyway XD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

The general principle of war is that making the whole state surrender is better than destroying it* subjugating the entire enemy's army is better than crushing it* making a battalion, a company or a five-man squad surrender is better than destroying them.

Therefore, wining one hundred victories in one hundred battle is not real excellence, winning a victory and subducing the enemy without fighting is the highest excellence.

In Sun Tzu bin fa, there are no such thing as name for the strategy. It is seperated by category and by numbers.

Basically,
Sun Tzu wrote "A victory earned without fighting is the greatest victory", which he applied it to all his teaching along with those teaching that guide you to achieve that.

Also, as far as I know; all modern strategeist are required to read Sun Tzu at least once. (while you can bet that top company marketing director etc, all read sun tzu before)

One thing people also need to understand is... reading sun tzu doesn't make you superb, it only bring you to the standard of strategical thinking. What make one superb is the ability to fully apply it. In order to fully apply it, one need to very skilled in things like metaphor and the sort; transforming and relating things that may seen far apart. (and of course, someone who read it versus someone who didnt... the one who didnt is going to pay a heavy price)

Now, more on the GW side... Now we just need a skill called "And", so we can complete a 3 hits combo of "shock and awe". lol, one of Anet joke I assume as well.

draxynnic · Sep 14, 2006, 02:26 AM // 02:26

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

hmmm sorry I cant get down with the Nazi comparisons. Im going to forever hate anyone using a shock/awe combo. Its ruined for me now.

I don't see how comparing Shock and Awe with Blitzkrieg makes it such an evil thing - despite the political regime that first introduced it, the strategy is a perfectly viable one unconnected to the heinous crimes performed by that regime. Jet aircraft were also first produced by Nazi Germany, and I don't see anyone saying that jets are evil due to that comparison. Heck, I think by the end of the war, the Allies had had a few chances to turn Blitzkrieg back on its inventors...

unholy guardian · Sep 14, 2006, 02:36 AM // 02:36

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Wouldn't Shove and Awe work the same?

Or almost any hammer attack?

Or Gale and Awe? (even better, cause Gale is ranged, and not Elite like Shove)

Why does it have to be a "Shock and Awe" combo (despite the obvious name attraction).

yeah i was going to say gale too

Soldat · Sep 14, 2006, 02:42 AM // 02:42

awe won't get nerfed... and it doesn't haf to b "shock and awe", just read bout the connection between them and it makes sense; u can do w/e u want w/ it.

Quid Pro Quo · Sep 14, 2006, 04:31 AM // 04:31

Paragons seem to be like rangers so far. They pretty good at everything but don't really have a set place yet.

ubermancer · Sep 14, 2006, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by Saphatorael

One question about Awe itself though...

If it's a skill... then how can it 'hit' something... shouldn't it be an attack then? Or is it touch range?

Awe is an attack skill.